tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post5375193532032780433..comments2023-05-19T04:58:19.635-07:00Comments on Restoration Ecology Discussion Forum: Top 10 list from Melissa, Ben, and SibylKatharine Sudinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13206223671817679551noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-86443579936159397152010-11-11T17:49:46.733-08:002010-11-11T17:49:46.733-08:00I think this illustrates the depth of what we'...I think this illustrates the depth of what we're dealing with here. Restoration ecology is so interwoven with socio-political systems that compiling an inclusive list of papers that covers that whole realm would be impossible. It involves two of the most complex systems we know of interacting across a crazy history of changing relationships. Add to that unpredictability of the future, and we're dealing with a world full of books and articles.Alex Schuknechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037449138016249718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-50788838492057501132010-11-11T17:30:19.391-08:002010-11-11T17:30:19.391-08:00I also liked the clarity of these categories, and ...I also liked the clarity of these categories, and agree that a list of ten is too short - maybe top ten under each category would be more useful?<br /><br />If one imagines someone USING these lists in the future, it becomes even more important not to leave out a different but important point of view.Molly Mehaffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859792630843181455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-25994654274297899282010-11-11T16:40:55.104-08:002010-11-11T16:40:55.104-08:00Agreed Melissa. I cut more of the social science p...Agreed Melissa. I cut more of the social science papers that were on my shortlist. Seems like if Funk, Chazdon and Bradley were what you cut from yours, our lists of 15-20 top papers would have be very convergent.Lauren Halletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00078146397361937189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-33839236286672641052010-11-11T16:03:59.592-08:002010-11-11T16:03:59.592-08:00And actually, while we're at it, I wish this h...And actually, while we're at it, I wish this had been a top 15 or 20 list instead. I would have definitely included Funk et al, Chazdon et al, and Bradley et al, and possibly one or two others. Especially as I'm reading through other people's lists and I'm seeing some of those papers showing up on their lists, I'm wishing I could have them all together on this list.<br /><br />One weakness of coming up with the themes as I did was the problem of some papers really coming in under more than one theme (which makes them really great!). I wish I had a better way to handle that.Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403473916542179793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-89665074119197458602010-11-11T16:00:30.204-08:002010-11-11T16:00:30.204-08:00Responding to Hillary: I didn't intend to fra...Responding to Hillary: I didn't intend to frame it using climate change, exactly... the first few sentences were intended to motivate the importance of "thinking outside the box" of traditional patterns given changing larger contexts, and I really meant 'global change' rather than specifically climate change. <br /><br />One paper I really liked on that front that involved climate change was the Bradley paper (maybe climate change will help as well as hurt in terms of invasive plants), but when I cut the papers down to 10 it didn't end up making the list (I was coordinating with Ben and Sibyl via email). I wasn't particularly trying to avoid climate change related papers, but I tend to view climate change as one of many large-context changes to keep in mind in restoration.<br /><br />Responding to Gustavo: I'm not familiar with that specific paper but I think that sounds great. I hated to cut Chazdon, for example. And while we're at it, maybe a paper which represents the importance of the urban environment would be good as well (though I don't have one in mind right this moment). I also had trouble figuring out sometimes when to put a paper in the first or third category! I moved some of them back and forth a bunch of times. In the end, it got to close to the time when I had to post the list and this is what we ended up with. For example, I was debating about whether the Palmer and Filoso should be in the first category, because it was a broader-thinking issue.<br /><br />Thanks for the feedback!Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403473916542179793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-79773271512088437792010-11-11T15:34:23.108-08:002010-11-11T15:34:23.108-08:00I really appreciate yall's list, especially be...I really appreciate yall's list, especially because you included the integration of traditional ecological knowledge, which seems to be escaping much of our other lists. Additionally, I think it is good to focus like yall did on understanding the human (social-political-economic) context.<br /><br />And on that note, given that yall want to make "thinking outside the box" a pillar of your framework, why not include a paper like <br />Perfecto and Vandermeer's instead? (The agroecological matrix as alternative to the land-sparing/agriculture intensification model. PNAS March 30, 2010 vol. 107 no. 13 5786-579) Hillary considers it, but does not list it, because it "does not comfortably fit within the bounds of traditional definitions of restoration". Perhaps it would fit better with yall's thinking outside the box then.Bem-Te-Vihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259279240916744695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1335282342199437427.post-35979442425554326992010-11-11T11:23:54.922-08:002010-11-11T11:23:54.922-08:00The categories nailed the most pertinent issues we...The categories nailed the most pertinent issues we've discussed in class and capture the interdisciplinary subtext of restoration- pushing into light to assist with deeper examination.<br />What I found interesting was that you framed this list in the context of climate change, yet none of the papers explicitly addressed it (except sideways)- is this because you don't feel the papers others have included are as novel or instructive, or it is in the current "academic/theoretical climate" it is not possible to move outside this perspective?hillsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599326950429728294noreply@blogger.com